Wednesday, March 31, 2010

If This Ain't War...What Is It ??

Now this should signal to everyone that it's time for the gloves to come off!

We catch 'em, slap their hands, don't even fine them in most cases, and then ship them back home...and this is what you get!

These are acts of guerrilla warfare, acts of terrorism, acts of undeclared war against the United States! These are NOT peaceful people. These are NOT people looking to find a better place to live! These people are lawbreakers and are out to simply maim and kill in order to further their criminal activities!

This article in the Houston Chronicle says it all.

Smugglers’ barbed wire traps target agents

El Paso Times
March 30, 2010, 1:43PM

EL PASO -- Drug smugglers have apparently set "booby traps" for U.S. Border Patrol agents on roads along the border near Deming, agency officials said Monday.

The devices consist of barbed wire stretched like clotheslines across trails used by agents on all-terrain vehicles. The lines, which are difficult to spot, are about four feet off the ground and appear to be intended to knock a rider off the ATV.

There have been no known injuries.

It isn't the first time such a tactic has been used by smugglers in the desolate desert south of Deming and west of El Paso.

Two years ago, a rancher informed the Border Patrol of two wires found stretched along a dirt road in a similar fashion. At that time, officials said it appeared the lines were targeting agents who frequently patrolled on ATVs.

Officials said the added danger will not stop them from going after smugglers.

During the weekend, agents using an infrared camera arrested six people carrying 320 pounds of marijuana as they walked from the border toward Interstate 10 near Deming, officials said.

The New Mexico border remains busy.

U.S. Sens. Jeff Bingaman and Tom Udall, along with Rep. Harry Teague, all of New Mexico, on Monday asked the Department of Homeland Security to increase the number of Border Patrol agents in the area and set up a Forward Operating Base in the New Mexico bootheel. Agents in the area are currently based in Lordsburg.

I have an idea here...why doesn't the government use the very same tactics against these border crossing criminals that they wouldn't hesitate to use against American citizens? They have proven in the past the willingness to use deadly force against patriots and their families...including children!

Yet here we have a force of criminals from a foreign country, and all the sudden we want to put on the kid gloves. What happens when the border patrol tries to defend themselves? They go to prison! They wound a prisoner, not even killing him...and they go to prison!

Sorry for going off on a little rant today...but stories like this just turn my stomach, ya know?

Now, let's get some fresh coffee and sit outside for a bit! Maybe I can calm down!


Ken said...

Well, what would you do, if you needed to eat and/or feed your family? You've got these "rich" Americans paying money under the table to work, and that's what they need. So, until the jobs "dry up" there will be people trying to "survive". You've got the allure of the benefits of a better life in one hand and a bunch of Law Enforcement in the other. What is Law, well it hides under the guise of morale legitmacy, but it isn't! These day's it's arbitrary rules that may or may not make sense. BUT, very strictly enforced - by an use against them attitude. The sad thing is everybody loves to have a slave - be it unfairly "paid" american worker, undocumented mexican worker, literal chinese slave labor. All so we can be fat, dumb and happy.

And to specifically answer your question "why doesn't the government use the very same tactics against these border crossing criminals" because WE are supposed to be better than a criminal!!! Your talking individuals verses an institution (government) What would you die for? As this Country declines it will become more and more militant, with people waving the flag as they increase their cruelity and intolerance - WHY because the truth/myth of scaresity. One day soon, we could be crossing the both borders, in order to make a better life for ourselves and children. Because all countries now share uncontrolled corruption. Joe average you will pay! Just think about what you would do, don't listen to the talking heads in the media - right or left - what would you do?

HermitJim said...

Hey Ken...
What I have a problem with is the folks setting up booby traps, stringing barbwire and such across the roads! These are the ones that deserve no mercy, in my opinion!

Many of those that come here looking for a better way of life, I can understand. They just want to take care of their own. At least they are not setting up booby traps on the roads.

I don't support the illegals, and I sure don't support the criminal element from either side of the border!

Like you said, the "average Joe" is the one that will continue to pay, one way or another!

Hey, thanks for coming by today, my friend!

Ken said...

Hey no problem on visiting, I like some of your stuff. This just struck a nerve because I believe when people, groups or nations fight both sides need to get a little bloody. All conflicts should be worked out peacefully, but when one side has a far superior force, they become detached from the horror that they can, and unfortuantely do inflict. It's human nature to say hey they deserve it because they are x, y or z, but do they? As, we fall further from our own Constitution and Ideals, people will become more ruthless. I'm a libertarian in that the individual should be as free as possible and responsible for their actions. So, people setting booby-traps are guilty of a crime - but US as a society should look at why an individual would do that. Is it legitament? I don't mean "legal" but do they have a valid reason and through frustration or in action are now acting on it.

Take Osama Bin Laden, if you were he, and thought your world was being destroyed by "outsiders" (And you could NOT go toe to toe with the US) what would you do?

We the US of A, have done some very, very bad things (like all others) but, we have a duty to rectify the situation. Unfortuantely I think we may be to far gone. I question everything now, did someone really string barbwire or do they need more money/resources/control/whatever so we'll make a nice story to get what we want. Or, perhaps they did, to slow/kill/harass the agents, like you said... we believe it's war ... isn't everything fair in love and war? I don't mean that.

The one thing I can gurantee is that CHANGE will occur - the tools (we may agree with today) will be used against in the future. SO, lets limit all control/order to as little as necessary (holding people responsible) so that when were out of power, those mechnisms are not already in place. Muslims are the fastest reproducing group, do you want their rules foisted on you, when they through our own "legal" democratic process out vote us old fuddy-duddies. South America had Apartheid for a reason - look at it now - it's a shithole. The mechanisms of suppression and "taking" from those who had earned has led to collapse. Just like were heading towards. Anyway, have a good evening.

HermitJim said...

Hey Ken...
This is the way it should be...just a good discussion about things going on that we should be aware of.

As far as the media goes, I take everything I hear from them with a grain of salt. It's just that some of the images that flashed before my eyes when reading this story really set me off!

Most of the wrong things the U.S. and others have done in the past will never be made right, in my opinion, but we can always hope.

Thanks again for the input.

Bob from Athens said...

It seems to me that you and Ken are talking about two different types of people. You are refrencing the deadly, willing to kill their own family for a buck crowd and he is talking about the honest hard working people just looking for an opportunity to get a job and feed and house their families. If congress would just get off their backside and set up a system for these honest ones to come here and work they wouldn't have to sneak in among the criminals. Then the border control would have a greater chance of stopping the smugglers and other criminals at the border. I say close the border by whatever means necessarry, even if it means using the Army and if a few or a lot of the criminals get injured, tough, stay away from the border and you won't get hurt.

Anonymous said...

Constantly there are diversions to keep our mind and eyes off the far bigger issues. What one reads from the controlled media should be accompanied by a whole shaker of salt, Hmm?

There was news sometime back that drugs are being brought in across the borders by tractor-trailer loads and delivered to out-of-the- way areas in our country. Maybe a report such as barbwire tactics help divert us from the fact that contraband is crossing the borders right at the checking stations ... and it is. Who is in charge there?

Seems every day a report comes out how huge amounts, i.e. (1,089# !!!marijuana and $1,000,000 cash !!!) are intercepted ... This particular 'bust' was on I26 near Mars Hill, NC. a few weeks ago. I wondered how the driver got so far into this country before being nabbed. I'd bet not all that contraband makes it to a lockup.

Mars Hill isn't far from me and I'm a thousand miles from a border!

Whether we realize or not, society is manipulated constantly. We have been put into a state of fear and anger all over the world. This too is a diversion from paying attention or feeling guilt but complete justification of what is going on in our name against other countries, a tactic to keep our mind off of all the young people dying while they do battle against others.

And what are thousands of DU mutilated Iraqui babies or untold (millions?)slaughtered citizens, blown up towns (ie,Falluja) in another country when we hear about borderguards battling against barbwire tactics, for instance?

Don't take me wrong, for this border battle is very bad but diversion it is, just diversion to blind us of the bigger issues!

You will find Http:// to be a very revealing source of what has gone on and still is happening without us lowly citizens/sheeple ever knowing about. Maybe you will check into this site sometime. Just listen to the Interviews. There is information there that's 'knocked my socks off'. Many good, revealing websites can be found if we only look.

When we realize that all those "Others" are part of the human family, only then will all this war against others ever stop.

WomanWhoRunsWithHorses said...

Anyone who has been to Mexico (not just the tourist resorts) would certainly understand the poverty levels and the desperation that would fuel. HOWEVER, the illegals that come into to this county and work at jobs that (supposedly) American citizens won't do and accept pay at a scale below what American citizens would accept are only able to subsist here and send money back to their families in Mexico because they sign up for every welfare program in the country. Food Stamps, Medicaid, TANF (grant money) all of which are available to legals and illegals alike and, believe me, the illegals know it. I work for a division of the state government and part of my job is to verify benefits status of the people applying for our services. I can tell you that more than half of the Hispanic cases I deal with involve illegal aliens on all three programs. How do they qualify? Because they have a baby after they get here ...that baby is a U.S. citizen and that makes the PARENTS eligible. How does a man with three kids, a wife that doesn't speak English afford to live on $10/hour? Because he's getting upwards of $1200/month in state aid, that's how.

I am all for immigration, as long as it's legal. I am all for aid to families where there is true need. But I am adamantly opposed to providing aid to illegals. Forty-four percent of my income goes to taxes in one form or another... gosh, and that was pre-Obama. Lord knows what my tax picture will look like next year. But illegals (who by definition don't have a problem with circumventing the rules) do a lot cash-money under the table jobs. If you don't believe me, drive through the barrio in your neck of the woods. Practically all cities (at least in Texas) have them. There will be a block or two where you will find dozens of young males loitering on the corners. Pull over to the curb with a pickup truck and they'll be right there, ready to negotiate for a day's labor. They don't really care what the job is, as long as the pay is in cash and paid daily. So they're not the ones paying taxes to support the programs THEY are on. It's not fair and I'm tired. I realize there are two culprits in that situation and I think they should both be held accountable. But there are rules and penalties and American citizens and business are actually prosecuted for hiring illegals when caught. The illegals, however, are simply deported and more than half of those eventually wander back across the border. A vicious cycle.

Does anyone really believe it's only the desperate family man that sneaks over the border? Mexico has plenty of drug dealers, rapists, murderers, burglars and petty thieves just like any other country them, America is the Land of Opportunity in much less Norman Rockwell sense. They are likely the group that is stringing barbed wire booby traps across the trails. Four feet off the ground? Depending on the speed of the ATV and the height of the rider, that would make a nasty accident. Getting knocked off would be the least of the worries, getting decapitated is more likely the desired result.

I second your statement at the end of your post, Jim ...I'm sorry for going off on a little rant of my own, but yes ...stories like this just turn my stomach.

Phelan said...

Here Jim, I got this email this morning;

My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to "print" it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined. Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:

Dear Editor:

So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the
Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people
like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out.

My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany , Italy , France and Japan . None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan . They were defending the United States of America as one people.

When we liberated France , no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had
sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew
what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900's deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty ,
it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.

Rosemary LaBonte

Phelan talking- My mother's side is Native to America, my father's family did not come to the country until the 1960's. It was done legally. My family changed their last name, made it an English spelling to blend in with Americans (though many still can't pronounce it correctly)I am not for ILLEGAL immigration, and the story you told about the traps is horrendous.

Baby Sis (Texas Red) said...

Bubba - Kudos to you, Phelan and Running with Horses. Everyone by now knows my overseas stories and documention tales, so we won't rehash those. But when I hear my upper middle-class friends complain about the illegal ALIENS and then look outside to see their yardmen,construction guys,remodelers, I tell them to quit contributing to the problem or Shut Up! Maybe they should do both! We are a small part of the problem, but yes, part of it. If we won't hire them, they'll find somewhere else to go - maybe back to their own countries to try to rectify the situation there?

Big hugs - with an extra squeeze for frustration -

Catman said...

Cheap, effective solution to illegal border crossings in both directions.


HermitJim said...

Hey Bob...
Right you are on believing that the element I was referring to was the smugglers, both in drugs and people.

I have no problem with allowing honest people in , with the understanding that they follow the procedures established for registered visitors.

I hope I was not believed to be in favor of fighting peaceful folks with force. Certainly the southern borders are not the only place this happens, but it's the one in our local news so that's what I reported here.

Hey, I appreciate the visit today!

Hey WWRWH...
You get a chance to see first hand how much of the abuse of the present system is done. That's a real eye opener for a lot of people, for sure!

It just seems to me that the immigration laws are not that hard to follow, and I certainly respect anyone that abides by that law. I would do so if i were going to live and work in another country!

Obviously, what I think is not going to make anyone change anything...but at least here (for the time being) I still have my freedom to speak out about what I see as a problem.

The media may be giving us only a story to soften the idea of more taxes or more troops to a particular area...but I would like to think that most of us could and would see through some of that!

You feel free to rant here all you want! Any public forum, Blogs included, should be used to discuss
this type of problem...with all sides being able to speak their piece and state their beliefs.

That's one thing the constitution allows, if I'm not mistaken, the right to peacefully say what we want!

I sure appreciate your visit today!

Hey Phelan...
Thank you for sharing this letter with us...and for the support in pointing out the difference between honest immigrants, and those that seek to enter under false pretences.

I salute you father's family and his efforts to do things the correct way! That's the kind of folks we need here, as far as I am concerned!

My friend, I do thank you for coming by today. I appreciate your visit a lot...

Hy Sis...
It's funny how some folks can close a blind eye on what's all around them, isn't it?

As long as people take the attitude that they can "hire" someone at a cheaper price, so it's doesn't matter where they come from or by what means...we will continue to have this problem. Sad, but true!

Short of total isolation, I don't know what the solution is. I'm not smart enough to even offer up a solution, but I do know that things are getting worse partly because of the influx of all the undocumented visitors from all over, and it looks like it will only get worse!

I do appreciate you taking the time to come by today!

Hey Catman...
We would probably have to go to one of the countries we left them in...and dig them up to have enough!

Thanks for coming by today, buddy!

Mechanic in Illinois said...

I believe we need to use the National Guard to protect our borders and I don't mean the ones without ammo in their guns. We also have the helicopter gunships with pilots that need their flight hours each month. Another good way would to allow the ranchers to hire long range predator hunters with night vision to take care of the problem. That way everyone gets paid and the ranchers get a tax write-off. This way the animal problem would be taken care of in the way it should be. Thanks for another great lesson.

HermitJim said...

Hey Mechanic...
I'm sure that the ranchers would help more with the problem, if they were allowed to! Here while back, a rancher was taken to court for holding some illegals at gunpoint when he caught them on his posted land. After law enforcement was called and showed up, the illegals were transported to a holding center to be released back to their own country...and the rancher was sent to jail with charges facing him!

Crazy world we live in, for sure!

Thanks for coming by today!

CottonLady said...

Good Morning, HJ. I so agree with what you were writing about-the illegal drug traffickers. They killed a rancher just recently in Arizona and I've read about the booby traps, too. I am all for legal immigration, but we sure don't need the gangsters, drug dealers and convicts. They have killed so many in the border towns. They need to be stopped from coming into the U.S.
Good article today, sir.

HermitJim said...

Hey Cotton Lady...
I'm glad to know that I'm supported by you in my thinking.

Like you, I have no problem with things done legally, but the criminals that enter and are added to the ones already here is another story!

I appreciate your input...and your visit!

Anonymous said...

Jim, Hi there, I'm with you on the criminal elements, but then I have to side with the people trying to find a different/better life. I am an illegal alien, I live here in Brazil and I am totally without documentation, my visa expired in 2002 and my passport in 2004. My native country had no more to offer me, I was too old and too over qualified to get a job, people just didn't want to know. Now I have done the reverse of your Mexican immigrant (legal or not) I have exchanged the First for the Third world, because it has something to offer me.

I must blog about this before I do it here. But the discussion here has been great. Pity politicians couldn't do this.


Anonymous said...

there is so much difference between legal and illegal immigrants.
Booby traps and wires four feet above ground level are not used by people looking for a maid, gardeners, or construction job.
Those are clearly tactics used by criminals.
We should use force, prisons, to enforce our laws.

Ted said...

HJ you sure stirred it up to day don't let it happen again.You know COFFEE is right behind oil on the commodities.We need a coffee break express.Life looks so much better over a cup of coffee!(NO TEA)

Anonymous said...

Hermit Jim, you started off with a good question about war on the border and all, and then the discussion turned to a whimper.

That there are more than 30 million illegal aliens that have crossed the border costing us billions of dollars and many lives is obvious. There is an ongoing invasion of our country and our countrymen on the border and across this nation needs help. It is too late for those who have lost everything, and for some, their life.

Many politicians are complicit in this invasion, refusing to repel this attack.

A war is where you have two or more parties involved. This invasion is not resisted. How many more of our countrymen will be killed? Are we a nation of cowards?
Mountain rifleman

HermitJim said...

Hey A.V...
I had no idea that you were in Brazil without that hard to keep up?

If you have found what you need there, then it seems to me that you might want to become documented and work towards citizenship!
Of course, without knowing all the particulars, it's not my place to speculate or condemn.

Hey, I appreciate your input today and most of all...I thank you for the visit!

Hey Anon 9:57...
Fighting fire with fire is exactly what I was talking about. Time to get serious about shutting the criminals down, regardless of what it takes!

However, I really don't think the boys on the Beltway will ever agree...and that's why I call them boys and not men! If they can't make money on it, it ain't gonna happen!

Thanks for coming by today!

Hey Ted...
I'll try and behave, I really will!

I am certainly in favor of more coffee! I drink my share every day...maybe someone elses share as well!

Tea drinking for me doesn't get it done, unless it's iced tea!

I sure am glad you could come by today!

Hey Mountain Rifleman...
The few times that the locals have tried to fight against the tide of illegals, they have to fight the government as well. OUR government!

The floods keep coming , and if our citizen's try and resist...they are branded "Terrorists"! This is wrong on so many can't help but make me sick!

I wish I knew what the answer was...but I'm not that smart! I wish I was! Somehow, we MUST find a way to address this problem ourselves, especially those of us living in states where the problems are the worse!

Hey, thanks so much for your input and for your visit!

Anonymous said...

Down here in Rio Grande Valley, hard up against the border with Mexico, there were officially 19 people killed in cartel violence yesterday alone. I really think U.S. will get pulled into this much like Vietnam (1st as advisors, then troop insertion). Just a matter of time is all.

What nobody has talked about is what can we do NOW, before it gets to that point. One idea - make drugs a capital offense. Get busted with illegal narcotics - death penalty. Addicts get one chance to go into rehab and get cleaned up. 2nd offense - death penalty.

Very harsh, I know, but I think this would probably deter enough criminals to stop trafficking with lower demand. Kills it at the source, if you will.

It won't happen, but I think it would work.